Same figures - different names

Started by Wajo357, November 03, 2011, 12:42:09 PM

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Wajo357

November 03, 2011, 12:42:09 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 04:00:00 PM by Guest
I've seen this occur once or twice before, but the below example really demonstrates why I think SHMAX should consider a figure the same, even if it has two separate names.

For example: Jack Tracker and Billy Blastoff
http://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/Products_D ... 8663&TP=AA
http://www.toysrus.com/product/prodpop. ... totCount=1

These are EXACTLY the same figure. Once I rip off the package, I can sell this 'toy' under both names, without any guilt that I am 'conning' the buyer. Yet, SHMAX won't relate the two:

http://shmax.com/part_details/26447/jack_tracker
http://shmax.com/part_details/24098/billy_blastoff

Obviously they would be in the 'Shared Molds' section, but this request is asking that they also be in the same 'Comes Packaged In' Section.

Sincerely,
Wajo357
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engledogg

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November 03, 2011, 01:56:57 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 04:00:00 PM by Guest
They have different names, within the same line.  Even though they look identical to each other, they are different toys.

Same with Swoop from the Armada era Dinobots...he looks the same as Terranotron, but because they have different names on the packaging, they are different figures.  Initial shipments had the name Swoop on the file card/sticker and command a much higher value than the later shipments that replaced the Swoop card with the Terranotron card (I believe they lost the rights to the name Swoop and actually used it "illegally" on the initial shipments).  Yes, physically, they're the same, and post-package opening, you're right - unless you had the card(s)/packaging, you could not tell one from the other.

Another one off the top of my head would be RID Spy Changer Ironhide (from the second series of exclusive translucent Spy Changers) and Universe Spy Changers Hoist (2nd series).  Both are physically the same figure, but there is a distinct name change, so they are different figures.  They're intended to be different characters, they just happen to look identical.

Now, in a somewhat-related vein, when considering Canadian Generation 1 figures...even though there is a French name on the packaging, as in Snarler/Grondeur, we link the Snarler figure from the U.S. package to the Canadian package.  Why?  Because the figure is still known as Snarler in Canada with Grondeur being a secondary name/translation for the French-speaking contingent of Canada - there isn't a true name change.  

This is different than the Billy/Jack situation as this spans two countries, not being limited to only one line (and one country), like in the case of Billy/Jack.  I suppose a note explaining how Billy and Jack are physically the "same" figure in the details section of each might help.

MIKE
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Wajo357

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November 03, 2011, 02:37:45 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 04:00:00 PM by Guest
I hear what you are saying, but realistically they ARE the same figure. The ONLY different is the writing on the package. They have the same design, construction, coloring, manufacturing, etc. Therefore it is the same. The total packaging record is not and is therefore different, but the figure itself should be linked as 'packaged in' with the other one. In my mind, if there is physically nothing differentiating the figures, than they are the same.
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November 03, 2011, 05:00:43 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 04:00:00 PM by Guest
My two cents: I agree that one record should be used, but unfortunately at the moment we don't have any clean way to resolve the naming discrepancy. I'll think about it some and see if I can think of some technical solution that would allow us to:

1. Use a single record that is linked to both products
2. Display the appropriate name in both contexts.

Wajo357

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November 03, 2011, 07:26:28 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 04:00:00 PM by Guest
thanks. I just wanted to bring it up.
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